New from The Nation: “Start Making Sense”
Podcast 11/19

The first episode of our new weekly podcast, “Start Making Sense” from The Nation:
podcast HERE – SoundCloud audio HERE
LAILA LALAMI talks about the origins of ISIS, and what to do about it now.  Laila grew up in Morocco; her novel The Moor’s Account was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize.

Also: The New York Times coverage of Bernie Sanders has been condescending, and terrible: journalist AMY WILENTZ comments on the recent page one story ‘Bernie Sanders Won’t Kiss Your Baby.

Plus: CHARLES BLOW, op-ed columnist for the New York Times, talks about growing up poor and black in rural Louisiana; his book Fire Shut Up in My Bones is out now in paperback.

And TERRY GROSS explains the difference between interviewing Hillary and interviewing Bill. It’s her 40th anniversary hosting ‘Fresh Air’; she’s done 13,000 interviews.  (Recorded in 2004)